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Title: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 17, 2010, 04:52:46 PM
Does anyone have something they’ve read that’s grabbed their attention and helped, enlightened or inspired them? If so, would you post it here? It might help, enlighten or inspire someone else  :)

Here's one that I like -
                                              
                                       A good way to pick a new, better future is to believe fully in its inevitability


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 23, 2010, 08:37:09 AM


                                                 Lemmings fall off the cliff because they’re afraid not to follow other lemmings.
                                                                       Don’t be a lemming. Be brave. Be YOU.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on July 23, 2010, 07:34:15 PM
Two Wolves (A Native American tale)

One evening an old Cherokee chief was teaching his grandson about life:

“A terrible fight is going on inside me. The same fight is going on inside you, and inside every other person too. It is a fight between two wolves.

The first wolf speaks to me of Evil – anger, guilt, shame, envy, resentment, self-pity, dishonesty, self-doubt and ego.

The other wolf speaks to me of Good – joy, peace, love, serenity, self-confidence, courage, kindness, humility, generosity, truth, compassion and faith.”

Wide-eyed, the young boy thought about this, then asked his grandfather:

“But which wolf will win?”

The old chief simply replied: “The one I feed”.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 23, 2010, 07:48:34 PM
That's brilliant, Luc - one that I'll remember - the message is so true. American Indians, and indeed Australian aborigines spoke so much sense, then we came along a messed things up for them. Thanks so much for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on July 23, 2010, 09:03:56 PM
Yes thank you from me too Luc - that is really good and so true. Have not heard that one before.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mothernurture on July 24, 2010, 11:23:42 AM
Heres one that i love with a similar message to Lucindas
 By Gandhi " I have only three enemies. My favourite enemy,the one most easily influenced for the better, is the British Empire. My second enemy, the Indian people is far more dificult. But my most formidable opponent is a man named Mohandas. K. Gandhi. With him i seem to have very little influence."



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 24, 2010, 01:42:47 PM
Another good one, MN. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on July 24, 2010, 03:10:50 PM
Thank you from me too. Speaking of Gandhi our doctors have this as their mission statement on the wall:

"Patients are the most important visitors to our surgery.
They are not an interruption to our work.
They are the purpose of it.
They are not an outsider to our surgery.
They are part of it.
We are not doing them a favour by treating them.
They are doing us a favour by giving us the opportunity to do so."

 

(Adaptation of a quote by Mahatma Gandhi)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 24, 2010, 03:32:26 PM
LIARS! That would be so nice if it was true!!!

I've based the above on MY doctor's surgery. Apologies to yours if they're different!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mothernurture on July 24, 2010, 03:50:50 PM
Roger  nono i do not think that your last post is in the spirit of this thread ( :hee20hee20hee:)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on July 24, 2010, 05:13:47 PM
This may be true Roger. However it does mean that in the spirit of a good union rep you always quote back an employer's own words at them to win a case (ie in their written policies) - so in this case I would do the same if necessary.

To be fair our surgery is better than some. I was talking with someone the other day who knows of all the surgeries in the area (he helps people with benefits) and he said ours was OK with supporting people. It was my GP who wrote me a lovely letter to get my bus pass for me. However I do avoid going there much as I know they don't have much to offer.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 24, 2010, 05:42:47 PM
LOL.......you're right, MM - it wasn't very enlightening or inspiring, was it. But I couldn't resist. I'll try and do better in future.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 24, 2010, 05:43:56 PM
Good point, Aggie, and I'm not going to argue with an expert. Anyway, I've done too much arguing today!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on July 24, 2010, 08:25:49 PM
I love quotes from Ghandi. What an inspirational figure he was!!!

And I like that mission statement, aggie. I have had lots of unkind doctors, but feel lucky to have a lovely one at the moment who I believe does live by that statement!

Anyhow, this is for Roger, who I know likes this quote:

'Don't tell God how big the storm is;
Tell the storm how big your God is.'


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 25, 2010, 07:08:20 AM
Ah, Ghandi – the man I think of as Jesus without the Chinese whispers.

Hey, thanks so much for that, Luc – it’s been at the top of my quotes list since you first posted it on another thread.

I’ve been trying to work out why it grabbed me so strongly, and I think I now know. It says perfectly in just sixteen words so much of what I believe and which I’ve tried to express in what must now run into thousands of words, without too much success.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 25, 2010, 12:53:56 PM
           


                                    The leaders of at least one side in any war are mass murderers – no exceptions, Mr Blair. 


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on July 26, 2010, 01:03:48 AM
'Happiness is a butterfly, which when pursued, is always just beyond your grasp, but which, if you will sit down quietly, may alight upon you.' - Nathaniel Hawthorne

And another one I love:

'Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification but through fidelity to a worthy purpose.' - Helen Keller


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 26, 2010, 06:40:28 AM
Love both of those, Luc, and both very true. Thanks loads for posting.

Any more?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 03:18:04 PM
i have a bajillion of these things saved, mostly scientific or philosophical, mostly stuff that reminds me to avoid dogmatic thinking. sorry for the deluge! hope I managed to asterisk every "uck"

*had to split up cos there's so many of the buggers!*

"Desperation is the raw material of drastic change. Only those who can leave behind everything they have ever believed in can hope to escape. "

"Nothing is true, everything is permitted. " (attibuted to Hassan I Sabbah, Ismaeli leader of the Hashishins sect )

"Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer. "

“The way to kill a man or a nation is to cut off his dreams, the way the whites are taking care of the Indians: killing their dreams, their magic, their familiar spirits."

“I think there are innumerable gods. What we on earth call God is a little tribal God who has made an awful mess. Certainly forces operating through human consciousness control events.”

"We intend to destroy all dogmatic verbal systems"

 - William S Burroughs (writer)

"The sum total of all minds is one."

 - Erwin Schrödinger (physicist)

"Anxiety is the dizziness of freedom.”

 - Soren Kierkegaard (philosopher)

"There are no facts, only interpretations."

"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster. And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."

"Once upon a time, in some out of the way corner of that universe which is dispersed into numberless twinkling solar systems, there was a star upon which clever beasts invented knowing. That was the most arrogant and mendacious minute of "world history," but nevertheless, it was only a minute. After nature had drawn a few breaths, the star cooled and congealed, and the clever beasts had to die. One might invent such a fable, and yet he still would not have adequately illustrated how miserable, how shadowy and transient, how aimless and arbitrary the human intellect looks within nature. There were eternities during which it did not exist. And when it is all over with the human intellect, nothing will have happened."

"Are designations congruent with things? Is language the adequate expression of all realities?
It is only by means of forgetfulness that man can ever reach the point of fancying himself to possess a "truth" of the grade just indicated. If he will not be satisfied with truth in the form of tautology, that is to say, if he will not be content with empty husks, then he will always exchange truths for illusions."

"We believe that we know something about the things themselves when we speak of trees, colors, snow, and flowers; and yet we possess nothing but metaphors for things — metaphors which correspond in no way to the original entities."

"Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule."

"Without music, life would be a mistake."

 - Friedrich Nietzsche (philosopher)

"Whether you can observe a thing or not depends on the theory which you use. It is the theory which decides what can be observed."

"It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind. "

"I believe in intuition and inspiration. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination embraces the entire world, stimulating progress, giving birth to evolution. It is, strictly speaking, a real factor in scientific research."

"I do not know how the Third World War will be fought, but I can tell you what they will use in the Fourth—rocks!"

"Common sense is nothing more than a deposit of prejudices laid down by the mind before you reach eighteen."

 - Albert Einstein (physicist)

"God is a verb."

"I live on Earth at present, and I don't know what I am. I know that I am not a category. I am not a thing — a noun. I seem to be a verb, an evolutionary process — an integral function of the universe."

"The Universe consists of non-simultaneously apprehended events."

"Our brains deal exclusively with special-case experiences. Only our minds are able to discover the generalized principles operating without exception in each and every special-experience case which if detected and mastered will give knowledgeable advantage in all instances."

 - R. Buckminster Fuller (philosopher, artchitect, inventor)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 03:19:57 PM
and more...


"How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?"

"One can judge from experiment, or one can blindly accept authority. To the scientific mind, experimental proof is all important and theory is merely a convenience in description, to be junked when it no longer fits. To the academic mind, authority is everything and facts are junked when they do not fit theory laid down by authority."

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
Specialization is for insects. "

"A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill."

 - Robert A Heinlen (writer)

"The map is not the territory"

"Humans can be literally poisoned by false ideas and false teachings. Many people have a just horror at the thought of putting poison into tea or coffee, but seem unable to realize that, when they teach false ideas and false doctrines, they are poisoning the time- binding capacity of their fellow men and women. One has to stop and think! There is nothing mystical about the fact that ideas and words are energies which powerfully affect the physico-chemical base of our time-binding activities. Humans are thus made untrue to "human nature." ... The conception of man as a mixture of animal and supernatural has for ages kept human beings under the deadly spell of the suggestion that, animal selfishness and animal greediness are their essential character, and the spell has operated to suppress their REAL HUMAN NATURE and to prevent it from expressing itself naturally and freely. "

"The only link between the verbal and objective world is exclusively structural, necessitating the conclusion that the only content of all 'knowledge' is structural. Now structure can be considered as a complex of relations, and ultimately as multi-dimensional order. From this point of view, all language can be considered as names for unspeakable entities on the objective level, be it things or feelings, or as names of relations. In fact... we find that an object represents an abstraction of a low order produced by our nervous system as the result of a sub-microscopic events acting as stimuli upon the nervous system. "

 - Alfred Korzybski (engineer, mathematician, philosopher, semanticist)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 03:21:28 PM
yet more!

"I've noticed a certain anti-intellectualism going around this country; since about 1980, oddly enough. … I was in Nashville, Tennessee, and after the show I went to a Waffle House. I'm not proud of it, but I was hungry. And I'm sitting there eating and reading a book. I don't know anybody, I'm alone, so I'm reading a book. The waitress comes over to me like, [gum smacking] "What'chu readin' for?" I had never been asked that. Not "What am I reading?", but "What am I reading for?" Goddangit, you stumped me. Hmm, why do I read? I suppose I read for a lot of reasons, one of the main ones being so I don't end up being a f***ing waffle waitress."

"I'm glad (magic) mushrooms are against the law, because I took them one time, and you know what happened to me? I laid in a field of green grass for four hours going, "My God! I love everything." Yeah, now if that isn't a hazard to our country … how are we gonna keep building nuclear weapons, you know what I mean? What's gonna happen to the arms industry when we realize that we're all one?!"

"The world is like a ride in an amusement park, and when you choose to go on it you think it's real because that's how powerful our minds are. The ride goes up and down, around and around, it has thrills and chills, and it's very brightly colored, and it's very loud, and it's fun for a while.
Many people have been on the ride a long time, and they begin to wonder, 'Hey, is this real, or is this just a ride?' And other people have remembered, and they come back to us and say, "Hey, don't worry; don't be afraid, ever, because this is just a ride."
And we...kill those people.

'Shut him up! I've got a lot invested in this ride, shut him up! Look at my furrows of worry, look at my big bank account, and my family. This has to be real.' It's just a ride. But we always kill the good guys who try and tell us that, you ever notice that? And let the demons run amok... But it doesn't matter, because it's just a ride. And we can change it any time we want. It's only a choice. No effort, no work, no job, no savings of money. Just a simple choice, right now, between fear and love. The eyes of fear want you to put bigger locks on your doors, buy guns, close yourself off.

The eyes of love instead see all of us as one. Here's what we can do to change the world, right now, to a better ride. Take all that money we spend on weapons and defenses each year and instead spend it feeding and clothing and educating the poor of the world, which it would pay for many times over, not one human being excluded, and we could explore space, together, both inner and outer, forever, in peace."

 - Bill Hicks (comedian, prophet)


"Magic and Art are the same, Which is why Magic is referred to as The Great Art. They are both technologies of Will, both about pulling rabbits out of hats and creating something where there was nothing."

"Ancient cultures did not worship idols. Their god-statues represented ideal states which, when meditated constantly upon, one might aspire to.
Science proves there never was a mermaid, blue-skinned Krishna or a virgin birth in physical reality. Yet thought is real, and the domain of thought is the one place where gods inarguably exist, wielding tremendous power. If Aphrodite were a myth and Love only a concept, then would that negate the crimes and kindnesses and songs done in Love's name? If Christ were only ever fiction, a divine Idea, would this invalidate the social change inspired by that idea, make holy wars less terrible, or human betterment less real, less sacred?"

"Ideas, unlike solid structures, do not perish. They remain immortal,
immaterial and everywhere, like all Divine things. Ideas are a golden,
savage landscape that we wander unaware, without a map. Be careful: in the
last analysis, reality may be exactly what we think it is."

- Alan Moore (writer & magician)

"Trying to define yourself is like trying to bite your own teeth."

"A person who thinks all the time has nothing to think about except thoughts. So he loses touch with reality, and lives in a world of illusion."

- Alan Watts( philosopher, writer)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 03:22:35 PM
oh lordy, he's got even more of the damn things!

"So I say live and let live. That's my motto. Live and let live. Anyone who can't go along with that, take him outside and shoot the motherf***er. It's a simple philosophy, but it's always worked in our family. "

"You ever notice that? Any time you see two groups of people who really hate each other, chances are good they're wearing different kind of hats. Keep an eye on that, it might be important."

"Now if you think you do have rights, one last assignment for you. Next time you're at the computer, get on the Internet, go to Wikipedia. When you get to Wikipedia, in the search field for Wikipedia, I want you to type in "Japanese Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious f**king rights, Okay? All right. You know about it. In 1942, there were 110,000 Japanese American citizens in good standing, law-abiding people who were thrown into internment camps simply because their parents were born in the wrong country. That's all they did wrong. They had no right to a lawyer, no right to a fair trial, no right to a jury of their peers no right to due process of any kind. The only right they had: "Right this way" into the internment camps! Just when these American citizens needed their rights the most, their government took them away! And rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges. And if you read the news even badly, you know that every year the list gets shorter and shorter. You see all, sooner or later. Sooner or later, the people in this country are gonna realize the government does not give a f**k about them! The government doesn't care about you, or your children, or your rights, or your welfare or your safety. It simply does not give a fuck about you! It's interested in its own power. That's the only thing. Keeping it and expanding it wherever possible. "

 - George Carlin (comedian)

"Moralities, ethics, laws, customs, beliefs, doctrines - these are of trifling import. All that matters is that the miraculous become the norm"

"I have no money, no resources, no hopes. I am the happiest man alive."

 - Henry Miller (writer)

"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness"

 - Emo Philips


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 03:24:20 PM
MIKE MAN! STOP IT! WE GOTS CFS, WE CAN'T READ ALL THIS ****

"A true initiation never ends."

"I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions."

"Existence is larger than any model that is not itself the exact size of existence (which has no size...) "

"The creative faculty, the god-power, is not used here with anything less
than literalness. When beauty was created by a godly mind, beauty existed,
as surely as the paintings of Botticelli or the concerti of Vivaldi exist.

When mercy was created, mercy existed. When guilt was created, guilt
existed. Out of a meaningless and pointless existence, we have made meaning
and purpose; but since this creative act happens only when we relax after
great strain, we feel it as 'pouring into us' from elsewhere. Thus, we do
not know our own godhood and we are perpetually swindled by those who
assure us that it is indeed elsewhere, but they can give us access to it,
for a reasonable fee. And when we as a species were ignorant enough to be
duped in that way, the swindlers went one step further, invented original
sin and other horrors of that sort, and made us even more 'dependent' upon
them."

"When the mathematician Ouspensky was studying with Gurdjieff, he found it
very hard, at first, to understand this unique human capacity to forget
where one is, what one is doing, and what is going on around one. He was
especially dubious about Gurdjieff’s insistence that this “forgetting” was
a type of hypnosis. Then, one day, after World War I had begun, Ouspensky
saw a truck loaded with artificial legs, headed toward the front. Educated
as a mathematician and trained in statistics, Ouspensky remembered that—
just as it is possible to calculate how many persons will die of heart
attacks in a given year, by probability theory—it is possible to calculate
how many legs will be blown off in a battle. But the very calculation is
based on the historical fact that most people most of the time will do what
they are told by Superiors. (Or, as some cynic once said, most people would
rather die, even by slow torture, than to think for themselves.) In a
flash, Ouspensky understood how ordinary men become killers, and victims of
killers. He realized that “normal” consciousness is much like hypnosis
indeed. People in a trance will do what they are told—even if they are told
to march into battle against total strangers who have never harmed them,
and attempt to murder those strangers while the strangers are attempting to
murder them. Orders from above are tuned-in; the possibility of choice is—
not-tuned-in."

"The search for certitude - like the pretense of moral righteousness -
appears to me as a medieval habit that should have vanished long ago. None
of us knows enough to be certain about anything, usually, and none of us
are nearly as 'moral' as we feel obliged to pretend we are in order to be
acceptable to 'Decent' Society.

If we are not totally stupid and blindly selfish on all possible occasions,
we are about as bright and ethical as anyone in history has ever been. The
greatest batters in the history of baseball all had batting averages well
below 0.500, which means they missed more than half the time they swung.

Medieval morality and theology have left us with the hypocritical habit of
pretending batting averages close to 0.999 in both knowledge and ethics.
(The Absolutists go around talking and acting as if their averages were
actually 1.000 or sheer perfection.) On average, I think I score under Babe
Ruth and I suspect you do, too.

There thus appears to be a great deal of conceit and self - deception in
the habitual poses of intellectual certitude and ethical perfection among
the educated classes. It would appear more in keeping with honesty, I
think, to recognize, as analogous to Murphy's Law, the unscientific but
useful generalization I call the Cosmic Schmuck Principle.

The Cosmic Schmuck Principle holds that if you don't wake up, once a month
at least, and realize that you have been acting like a Cosmic Schmuck again
then you will probably go on acting like a cosmic schmuck forever; but if
you do, occasionally, recognize your Cosmic Schmuckiness, then you might
begin to become a little less Schmucky that the general human average at
this primitive stage of terrestrial evolution. "

"The artist is greater than the mystic.The mystic, unless he or she is also an artist, cannot communicate the higher states of awareness achieved by the fully turned-on brain; but the great artist can"

 - Robert Anton Wilson (writer, philosopher, sage, racconteur)

"Anyone who understands my music will never be unhappy again" (take in conjunction with the last RA Wilson quote above)

"I want to seize fate by the throat. "

"I have never thought of writing for renown and glory. What I have in my heart must out; that is why I write"

 - Beethoven


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 03:25:03 PM
okay, okay, last one! i promise!

"Turn on' meant go within to activate your neural and genetic equipment. Become sensitive to the many and various levels of consciousness and the specific triggers that engage them. Drugs were one way to accomplish this end. 'Tune in' meant interact harmoniously with the world around you — externalize, materialize, express your new internal perspectives. Drop out suggested an elective, selective, graceful process of detachment from involuntary or unconscious commitments. 'Drop Out' meant self-reliance, a discovery of one's singularity, a commitment to mobility, choice, and change. Unhappily my explanations of this sequence of personal development were often misinterpreted to mean 'Get stoned and abandon all constructive activity'"

"The universe is an intelligence test."

 -Timothy Leary (Psychologist, philosopher, writer, convicted felon)

"Isn't it a pleasure to study and practice what you have learned? Isn't it
also great when friends visit from distant places? If one remains not
annoyed when his greatness is not recognized in his time, isn't he a sage?"


 - K'ung fu-Tzu (ye olde chinese sage, oft called Confucius)


"I am certainly of opinion that genius can be acquired, or, in the
alternative, that it is an almost universal possession. Its rarity may be
attributed to the crushing influence of a corrupted society. It is rare to
meet a youth without high ideals, generous thoughts, a sense of holiness,
of his own importance, which, being interpreted, is, of his own identity
with God. Three years in the world, and he is a bank clerk or even a
government official. Only those who intuitively understand from early
boyhood that they must stand out, and who have the incredible courage and
endurance to do so in the face of all that tyranny, callousness, and the
scorn of inferiors can do; only these arrive at manhood uncontaminated. "

"Every man and every woman is a star."

"I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy."

"I am divided for love's sake, for the chance of union."

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the law, love under will." (NB Crowley's idea of "will" was one's natural path in the world, NOT just doing what you want!)

"Love is a virtue; it grows stronger and purer and less selfish by applying it to what it loathes; but theft is a vice involving the slave-idea that one's neighbor is superior to oneself. "

 - Aleister Crowley (mystic, poet, mountain-climber)

"The way that can be talked about is not the way"

"He who knows that enough is enough will always have enough."

"Without the laughter, there would be no Tao."

- Tao te Ching (ye olde chinese booke ov wizzdumb)

don't know the source of these...

"An enlightened master seeks to create enlightened masters, not obedient followers"

"Before enlightenment, the mountain is a mountain. During enlightenment the mountain is not a mountain. After enlightenment, the mountain is a mountain." - zen poem


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 28, 2010, 04:33:07 PM
Bloody hell, Mike – I’ve just spent an hour reading, another hour trying to absorb, and two hours trying to pick a favourite.

I couldn’t do that – the shortlist was about twenty but I’ve finally narrowed it down to these four –

"Your mind will answer most questions if you learn to relax and wait for the answer." – because it’s what I believe.

"Madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule." – because it’s an absolute truth.

"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness" – because whether or not I should have, I laughed.

"An enlightened master seeks to create enlightened masters, not obedient followers" – because if that was really how it was, what a wonderful world we’d have.

Brilliant stuff, Mike, thanks so much for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on July 28, 2010, 04:36:43 PM
I think I'm going to read one thought a day ... to absorb it all.

One thing I noticed though as a woman .. I could not find any women quoted on that list - is it that we don't say anything profound or do we just live profoundly? (some of us at least).  ;)


Title: !!
Post by: roger on July 28, 2010, 04:42:02 PM
But I've just worked it out, Aggie - it'll take you twenty-seven years!

Not speaking for all women here, because we have to remember that there are some called Katie Price, but in your particular case, it's most definitely because you LIVE profoundly, so there's no need for profound words!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 05:56:03 PM
I think I'm going to read one thought a day ... to absorb it all.

One thing I noticed though as a woman .. I could not find any women quoted on that list - is it that we don't say anything profound or do we just live profoundly? (some of us at least).  ;)

If, in the past, the great artists, philosophers, etc, were mostly men it almost definitely had more to do with societal gender biases than the worth of females as artists & philosophers.
Some feminists will try to argue that, say, Hildegaard of Bingen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hildegard_of_Bingen) was the equal of Beethoven. And, while musical appreciation is totally subjective, I just can't see it at all. But I would agree that it was the dogmatic thought of the day (male superiority) that led to the dearth of female artists, etc, as they just weren't allowed into those positions.
Hell, the same was true in even the sciences until the last 50 years or so.

Quote from: roger
Bloody hell, Mike – I’ve just spent an hour reading, another hour trying to absorb, and two hours trying to pick a favourite.

I can't do anything without going over the top, mate  :)

Another couple that just sprung to mind -

"Be regular and orderly in your life like a bourgeois, so that you may be violent and original in your work." - Gustave Flaubert

"Now we rise, and we are everywhere" - lyric, and epitaph, of Nick Drake (no idea what he meant, but i do like stuff that's open to infinite interpretation)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 28, 2010, 06:11:37 PM
You're a VERY clever bloke, Mike. But I'm not sure that you realise that.

Anyway, it's been good to see you being so active on here today, really good. Hopefully, that means you're having a good spell.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 28, 2010, 06:34:08 PM
Nah, the clever blokes are the ones who said all that stuff. Any fool can copy & paste.

Haven't been too bad lately, but the forum is either down an awful lot lately, or some other problem has made it seem so.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 28, 2010, 06:42:33 PM
Bollocks - you're a CLEVER BLOKE - be told!

That's good news  :)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on July 28, 2010, 08:30:18 PM
I’m afraid it'll take me a while to read all of that Mike! Will try and read some though.

And yes, it is an unfortunate truth that the rampant sexism that dominated most of the world for so long meant that women of the past did not have a voice. However, if we look at quotes and inspirational stuff of the last 100 years we will find plenty of it is provided by women!

Personally, my favourite writers and poets are mainly female. And my favourite quote of all time is by a woman (I have had this on my wall for years!) –

'Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.' - Margaret Mead


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: oldshoremore on July 28, 2010, 08:33:03 PM
Man is born free, and yet everywhere is in chain-stores


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: oldshoremore on July 28, 2010, 08:35:09 PM


What if there were no hypothetical questions?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 29, 2010, 07:20:56 AM
Another nice one, Luc - thanks for posting. And trust me, Mike's are well worth a read.

And as for you, Oldie - What if there were no hypothetical questions? - well for a start, your quote wouldn't exist  :)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 29, 2010, 09:19:43 AM
I’m afraid it'll take me a while to read all of that Mike! Will try and read some though.

And yes, it is an unfortunate truth that the rampant sexism that dominated most of the world for so long meant that women of the past did not have a voice. However, if we look at quotes and inspirational stuff of the last 100 years we will find plenty of it is provided by women!

Personally, my favourite writers and poets are mainly female. And my favourite quote of all time is by a woman (I have had this on my wall for years!) –

'Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.' - Margaret Mead


I've often wondered if there's something in writing/art/philosophy that reflects the gender of the writer/artist/philosopher & that we pick up unconsciously (beyond obvious gender themes) because it's closer to our own (unconscious) biases in our worldview.
I'm sure most of my female friends prefer female writers (especially the, in their own words, "hair-legged man-hating" lesbians), and the males prefer male ones.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 29, 2010, 06:58:21 PM
Am I alone in hating those trite aphorisms like "live your dream"?
I tried to live my dream once and ended up flying off the roof to go over the rainbow to a job I'd left 9 years ago to redo everything I'd messed up the first time round in the nude while everyone watched and the office turned into the school gym and all my teeth fell out so I had to battle the obsidian octopus librarian to win back the five dimensional neutronium cake.

Never try to live your dream, my friends. You'll end up with no teeth. And bits of octopus in your hair. Or even bits of hair in your octopus.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 29, 2010, 07:04:09 PM
LOL......I haven't the vaguest idea what you're talking about, but at least it made me  :) and that's worth something.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on July 30, 2010, 08:10:24 PM
I do wonder if I'd be the last to know when the tattered remnants of my sanity crumbled to dust and blew away.

I find this kinda inspirational. In a lump-in-the-throat, wow-at-the-magnitude-of-it-all kinda way. It's kinda humbling to the power of a million, but hopefully shows just how precious what we have is, and how we barely deserve this tiny speck that teems with life in the midst of an unimaginable void, because we just waste it all on stupid, trivial hatreds and divisions.

The Pale Blue Dot

The tiny dot in the circle is Earth, photographed from Voyager 1 at a distance of over 6 billion km (3.7 billion miles).

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/PaleBlueDot.jpg)


Quote from: Carl Sagan
From this distant vantage point, the Earth might not seem of particular interest. But for us, it's different. Consider again that dot. That's here, that's home, that's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there – on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.

The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that, in glory and triumph, they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of this pixel on the scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner, how frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds.

Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the Universe, are challenged by this point of pale light. Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity, in all this vastness, there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves.

The Earth is the only world known so far to harbor life. There is nowhere else, at least in the near future, to which our species could migrate. Visit, yes. Settle, not yet. Like it or not, for the moment the Earth is where we make our stand.

It has been said that astronomy is a humbling and character-building experience. There is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly with one another, and to preserve and cherish the pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 31, 2010, 07:16:30 AM
I find this kinda inspirational. In a lump-in-the-throat, wow-at-the-magnitude-of-it-all kinda way. It's kinda humbling to the power of a million, but hopefully shows just how precious what we have is, and how we barely deserve this tiny speck that teems with life in the midst of an unimaginable void, because we just waste it all on stupid, trivial hatreds and divisions.


Absolutely, Mike - thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mothernurture on July 31, 2010, 10:33:47 AM
Right, where to start. As like mike i am not keen on the live your dreams kind o stuf i had been purposely avoiding this thread in case it went all gooey and lovey and made me feel ill. anyway, i was clearly wrong! (yes i know, a strange thing i am a woman and i admitted to beng wrong - dont tell my husband)

Mike - yes as i have m.e and have been massiely overdoing it recently i am not going to be able to read all your posts at once - its going to tke me a while to catch up, but i loved lots of them- really great thoughtful stuff.
Thanks Lucinda for the Margaret Mead quote. I think its true to say that women artists, philosophers, scientists etc have been more invisible or unable to practice, even in todays worls of so called equality the male view still prevails.

Thanks everyone for an inspiring, challenging and laugh out loud thread.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on August 01, 2010, 12:47:03 PM
Quote
Am I alone in hating those trite aphorisms like "live your dream"?

I don't like the whole 'live your dream' stuff either.

A lot of the common inspirational stuff around today is based on the hope of some glowing, happy future, where you may be rich, famous, in love with the most perfect person in the world, 100% healthy, and drop-dead-sexy.

But is this realistic? And are many of the things we hope for really going to bring us happiness? There are many people in the world who have some, or all of these things, and yet are very unhappy!! And there are many people who have none of these things and yet are totally happy and at peace.

We can spend our whole lives hoping for a bright future, or we could find peace and happiness right where we are...now.

I do think that, esp as sick people, it is good to have a positive attitude that we will get better. But I think happiness is ultimately found in the present moment, in accepting where we are.

That is not to say we pretend that everything is fine and dandy. Instead you really feel what you feel, see what you see, hear what you hear, etc, and accept it (by which I mean don't block it out or push it away) and stay present. Accept the good, accept the bad, accept the neutral, and be at peace. I think it is our resistance to really experience the present moment that causes a great deal of our pain.

Which leads me onto another quote I wish to share.

'There is no way to happiness - happiness is the way.' - The Buddha.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 01, 2010, 01:06:40 PM
Hi Luc,

Great post.

For what it’s worth, I see being happy as knowing who you are and being content with that but in the knowledge that if the muse takes you, you can be someone else and seek different circumstances and still be happy.

There is no external happy pill and, no, ‘worldly goods’ won’t make you happy, though some might say that being miserable in comfort beats being miserable in discomforts.

Put more succinctly, happiness comes and can only come, from inside your head.

Regarding ‘common inspirational stuff’ – I do think some of it has a place, but not if relies on hope – hope just leads to disillusionment and a pissed off attitude, unless you’re very lucky. But then I’m not keen on the concept of ‘luck’, either.

My brain wobbles sometimes, quite often, in fact, and I’m not really sure that I understand the Buddha quote – is he saying there’s no road to happiness but if you’re intrinsically happy, regardless of where it leads, your road will be a happy one?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on August 01, 2010, 02:02:48 PM
The quote refers to what I was saying:

We can spend our whole lives hoping for a bright future, or we could find peace and happiness right where we are...now.

Happiness can only be found in the moment. So when the Buddha said:

'There is no way to happiness - happiness is the way'

He means that it is not wise to strive and grasp for happiness, thinking that it will happen if you do this and this and this.

For example, a person may think that he will be happy when he gets a job. He then gets a job but is not happy because he does not have a wife. He then gets a wife but is not happy as he does not have a nice car. He then gets a nice car and then is not happy because, etc etc.

And then not only this, but he finds he is not happy with the job he wanted as it is leaving him stressed. He is not happy as the wife he wanted nags at him. He is not happy as the nice car he wanted breaks down, etc etc.

The problem is he always thinking that there is a way to happiness – whether it be the job or the car or the wife, etc.

When in Buddhism it would be said that it is his constant grasping for happiness that is making him unhappy! Because at some level he is saying to himself ‘I will not be happy until this happens. I will not be happy until that happens’.

What the Buddha taught was that happiness comes when a person lets go of wanting, grasping, etc, and just experiences what is (for example, by focusing on your breathing, and softly smiling, not allowing yourself to get lost in thoughts but just staying with the experience of breathing). And that this present moment acceptance and happiness is the 'way'.

At least, that is what I understand at the moment. As always, my understanding may change, and other's understanding may be different.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 01, 2010, 02:12:37 PM
Yes, I think that's pretty much what I thought it meant - thanks.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mothernurture on August 01, 2010, 02:28:04 PM
Thats a great explanation, Lucinda - exactly what i believe to be true. You cant strive to achieve happiness, it is only a fleeting emotion anyway, when we are experiencing it in a moment of time it just is. we do no nomally think"ah, i have arrived at happiness" because like all emotons it is transitory.

Thanks Lucinda, no matter how much you think you KNOW something it is always good to be reminded.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: laurashaw on August 03, 2010, 01:40:14 PM
Because I am stupid in the head and started a thread very similar to this thinking there wasn't one, I apologise for repeating myself here but I'll add some more to this thread:

Be soft.
Do not let the world make you hard.
Do not let the bitterness steal your sweetness.
Take pride that, even though the world may disagree, you still believe it to be a beautiful place.

-

I want to think again of dangerous and noble things.
I want to be light and frolicsome.
I want to be improbable, beautiful and afraid of nothing, as if I had wings. - Mary Oliver

-

Be nice or go away.

-

Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all.
Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach.
Check your road and the nature of your battle.
The world you desire can be won. It exists. It is real. It is possible. It is yours - Ayn Rand.

-

Finish each day and be done with it, you have done what you could.
Some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can.
Tomorrow is a new day and you shall begin it with too high a spirit to be encumbered by your own nonsense. - Emerson.

-

Run outside during a thunderstorm.
That downpour, that conquered hesitation, that exhiliration;
that is what unlonely is like.

-

All people dream, but not equally.
Those who dream by night, in the dust recesses of their mind
wake in the morning to find that it was vanity.

But the dreams of the day are dangerous people
for they dream their dreams with open eyes
and make them come true. - D H Lawrence.

-

L
xxx


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on August 03, 2010, 02:14:44 PM
You're not stupid in the head Laura. Some of these threads do overlap a little.

Those are lovely Laura (and am esp happy to see Mary Oliver in there! My favourite poet).

My friend who introduced me to Mary Oliver's stuff when I was 19 has this under her Facebook profile picture:

'Tell me, what is it you plan to do
with your one wild and precious life?'

- Mary Oliver.

I love that.

Quote
Run outside during a thunderstorm.
That downpour, that conquered hesitation, that exhiliration;
that is what unlonely is like.

Hehe has anyone ever done this? I have deliberately gone outside during massive rain and thunder storms before. It is exhilarating.

And the first quote reminds me of the poem, Desiderata, which I think would be awesome to post. Hmmm, don’t know whether to post it here or the poetry thread...


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 03, 2010, 02:15:46 PM
No need for apology, Laura – two threads means two reads and this stuff warrants two reads, at least.

Favs?  Well all of them really, though especially the Emerson & D H Lawrence – many folk won’t go along with the latter, but I do!

But because I’m simple and like simple things, my absolute fav is – Be nice or go away. I wish I could always comply with that.

Thanks loads for posting – great stuff!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 03, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
Sorry, Luc - you appeared while I was typing.

Two more great ones from you - where d'you get them all from?

I used to love the rain thing, but with age comes caution and fear of pneumonia  :)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on August 03, 2010, 05:15:49 PM
I have posted Desiderata in the poetry section if anyone wants to read an inspiring poem!

Hehe I have loads more where that came from, Roger.

I often save on my computer things that inspire me, or write it down in my journal. I also have a box in my room, full of stuff that means a lot to me (lovely letters I've been sent, things I have been given, small items attached to precious memories) that I also put inspiring stuff in. I have a few quotes in there that other people have written down for me (mainly the friend I mentioned earlier) or I have found elsewhere. Me and my friend used to love to share poetry, quotes, explore spirituality and religion, and we were both activists (she actually organised a full on Peace Party in Birmingham City Centre with music and speakers and everything) and supported each other with empowering words.

Times change though! She went off to explore the world and has never moved home again (though she still visits occassionally and I see her then), and I went to uni, got sick and have obviously been stuck at home since. I still read as much as I can manage though (which unfortunately isn't much, but I treasure what I do read), mainly Buddhist stuff these days but other stuff too, and I sometimes make notes of stuff that moves me.

I haven't actually got out the box to post on here though, as if I did you would be bombarded!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 03, 2010, 05:19:26 PM
Then please post them, Luc  :)

I hope you're well on the way to being over yesterday's nightmare.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on August 03, 2010, 06:57:35 PM
My health is still a bit wobbly, Roger (as in it is worse than it was before all the stress) but my mood is much better. My mum bought me some pretty flowers to cheer me up, and I saw my acupuncturist today. Plus everyone has been real nice to me! (Including you guys *mwah*) I actually feel like a bit of a drama queen now, but I put my hands up and admit though that I do get very emotional when I get very stressed and fatigued.

Ok then, here are a few more (I'll post more some other time) -

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong. - Mahatma Ghandi

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty. - Mahatma Ghandi

You can never get enough of what you don't really need. - Eric Hoffer

Many persons have a wrong idea of what constitutes true happiness. It is not attained through self-gratification but through fidelity to a worthy purpose. - Helen Keller


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 04, 2010, 07:45:14 AM
Hi Luc,

I'm glad you're improving - it's not worth letting that idiot make you ill.

Yet more great quotes - thanks.

And yes, more whenever you have them, please!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: laurashaw on August 04, 2010, 08:46:39 PM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_sJKV5A7DUis/TD3LwfeudcI/AAAAAAAACOk/jK-nJdWxMs0/s320/529tanglin.jpg

 :smile


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 11, 2010, 08:33:08 AM
Love that, Laura. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on September 02, 2010, 05:45:06 PM
Following on from the conversation on the 'Strange But True' thread, here are some more inspirational quotes, including the one I mentioned over there.

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/silvershe_wolf/31705_103138416400065_100001117218468_32497_2171343_n.jpg)

See it full size here:
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/silvershe_wolf/31705_103138416400065_100001117218468_32497_2171343_n.jpg


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 02, 2010, 05:51:19 PM
Great words, Luc - bearing in mind their source, I wish they weren't, but they are. Thanks for posting.


You sucked me in there, didn't you  :)



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on September 02, 2010, 06:01:14 PM
LOL!

I didn't mean to actually. It was just a quote that came to mind.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 02, 2010, 06:04:17 PM
Hey, I'm not complaining - I'm impressed!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on September 02, 2010, 06:59:57 PM
 I loved the Dalai Lama quotes Luc - thanks for posting. I have read the other threads today but my poor brain can't get words down at the moment.

Just a thought with regards to religion .... I think that people often speak of spirituality instead of religion, these days as there is less reliance on dogma. Certainly the Dalai Lama is one of those truly spiritual people who is attractive to many people of all faiths.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Queenbeecez on September 02, 2010, 07:01:27 PM
Rrr luc I likey the quite mucho gusto xx thanks for posting x


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Celosia on September 07, 2010, 09:27:35 PM
One of my faves is more of a story than a quote, it's one I used in an assignment at college:


WELCOME TO HOLLAND

by Emily Perl Kingsley.

c1987 by Emily Perl Kingsley. All rights reserved

I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability - to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this......

When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guide books and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum. The Michelangelo David. The gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting.

After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland."

"Holland?!?" you say. "What do you mean Holland?? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy."

But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay.

The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place.

So you must go out and buy new guide books. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met.

It's just a different place. It's slower-paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around.... and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills....and Holland has tulips. Holland even has Rembrandts.

But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy... and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned."

And the pain of that will never, ever, ever, ever go away... because the loss of that dream is a very very significant loss.

But... if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things ... about Holland.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 08, 2010, 07:22:11 AM
 This thread is called 'food for thought', and you've provided some. So thanks for posting, Celosia.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: angeltripping on September 09, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
'Tragedy should be utilized as a source of strength.'No matter what sort of difficulties, how painful experience is, if we lose our hope, that's our real disaster."—Dalai Lama
 Love this quote
peace and love
angeltripping
ps good thread!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 09, 2010, 02:46:14 PM
Great stuff, AT - thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on September 09, 2010, 06:11:47 PM
Thank you Celosia and Angel for these items!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: angeltripping on September 10, 2010, 09:35:44 AM
 ‎"Because you are alive, everything is possible."
— Thich Nhat Hanh
“Each day, accept everything that comes to you as a gift. At night, mentally give it all back. In this way, you become free. No one can every take anything from you, for nothing is yours.” -Daniel Levin

 ‎"The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, nor to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly."
— Siddhārtha Gautama

"Kindness should become the natural way of life,not the exception."
—Siddhārtha Gautama
 The answer lies within ourselves. If we can't find peace and happiness there, it's not going to come from the outside. --Tenzin Palmo
 “If you let go a little, you will have a little peace. If you let go a lot, you will have a lot of peace.” -Ajahn Chah

It isn’t our regrets, worries, fears, and insecurities that cause us to feel stress and pain. It’s our unwillingness to let them go.

I like these ones as well!
angeltripping


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 10, 2010, 09:56:37 AM
So do I, AT - so, again, thanks for posting.

I especially liked -  The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, nor to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly

and - The answer lies within ourselves. If we can't find peace and happiness there, it's not going to come from the outside


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on September 10, 2010, 11:36:40 AM
Loving these quotes AT! The Dalai Lama, Thich Nhat Hanh, The Buddha - how could I not?!?

Did you get these from the Buddha Bless page on Facebook? I went on the page the other day and noticed some nice quotes.

Anyhow, more Dalai Lama:

(http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/silvershe_wolf/31705_104509849596255_100001117218468_47878_4761430_n.jpg)

Click to make it bigger: http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh235/silvershe_wolf/31705_104509849596255_100001117218468_47878_4761430_n.jpg


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 10, 2010, 11:41:16 AM
Nice, Luc - thanks for posting.

I reckon we tend to forget that our purpose is to be happy (and content, though I guess they're close enough to each other to be almost the same thing), so it's good to be reminded.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on September 18, 2010, 02:18:57 PM
Came across this quote today -

'You will not grow if you sit in a beautiful flower garden, but you will grow if you are sick, if you are in pain, if you experience losses, and if you do not put your head in the sand, but take the pain as a gift to you with a very, very specific purpose.'

-Elizabeth Kuhbler-Ross



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 18, 2010, 02:25:50 PM

Thanks, Luc. I think we talked about this a while back - about being a better person for the experience. Anyway, I like the quote and agree absolutely.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on September 26, 2010, 04:43:14 PM
Saw this on another forum... While I have no idea what "spirituality" means (no one has ever provided me with an adequate explanation) there aint no "Philosophy and metaphysics" sub-forum  :tongue
Anyway, this one photo says more about what's wrong with our civilization than any other I've seen (even if it's just a photoshop job) -

(http://i.imgur.com/HwmXe.jpg)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on September 26, 2010, 04:59:09 PM

Bloody hell that's poignant, Mike - thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on October 15, 2010, 01:10:07 PM


You can’t make the sun rise before it’s due, but you can make the most of the moon light

Should a man with no arms feel guilty because he can’t shake your hand?

These are Philpyisms, and I love them both. Thanks Philpy!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on October 16, 2010, 06:45:16 PM
They are lovely quotes, Philipy.

And thanks for sharing that photo, Mike. So sad.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on October 16, 2010, 10:44:05 PM
Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"”


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on November 02, 2010, 11:58:26 AM
zen -

Open Mouth Already a Mistake
Don't Know is Closest to It


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 02, 2010, 02:04:02 PM

I don't understand it, Mike. Am I having a thicko day?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on November 03, 2010, 01:53:00 PM
that's because you're thinking about it, trying to know
DON'T KNOW IS CLOSEST TO IT

as a hint, one revered Zen Master, when asked what the path/secret to enlightenment was, would answer "I don't know!"
as an extra hint, it may help if I accentuate one word, "I don't KNOW"


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 03, 2010, 02:36:16 PM

Sorry, Mike, but I'm still baffled. As I've said many times before, your intellect it better than mine, sad though that makes me  ???


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Queenbeecez on November 03, 2010, 03:18:51 PM
So not knowing has the upper hand or am I way off course!!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 03, 2010, 03:32:00 PM

Er.........before you speak, bear in mind that knowing that you don't know puts you closest to IT (God?) ----- oh, I dunno!  ???


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on November 03, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
Zen Buddhism focuses on practice rather than theory.

As far as I remember, when Siddhārtha reached enlightenment (the man who became 'the Buddha') he saw everything clearly. One way of describing what enlightenment is, is "seeing everything as it really is" (without being blinded by hatred, craving and delusion).

However, in this state he realised a problem. There was no way he could communicate to people the truth that he saw. It simply could not be communicated in words - only experienced.

However, he did wish to try to help people, to guide people who were willing, on the path that would lead them to experiencing enlightenment and seeing things how they really are. So he did his best to try and communicate the truth of what he knew.

The Zen tradition really takes this to heart, and so makes it clear that no words or theories can ever hold truth. All of the focus is on practice practice practice.

To a Zen Buddhist, feeling like you don't know, is much closer to the truth than feeling like you do know. As unless you are enlightened, you do not know. All unenlightened people are to some degree caught up in delusion, and so to be aware that you are caught up in delusion and blinded by it, is much more advanced then thinking that you are not deluded. In walking around blind, but telling everyone you can see.

Hope that makes sense. My Buddhism is rusty though as I have a pants memory and rubbish concentration which means I don't read as much Buddhist stuff as I'd like to.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 03, 2010, 03:47:09 PM

Perfect sense, Luc - thanks. Just to clarify absolutely, IT is enlightenment?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on November 03, 2010, 03:59:46 PM
I'm not sure what Mike was refering to as 'it'.

It could just generally mean truth.

And it could certainly mean enlightenment.

However, I suspect in the context of Zen Buddhism, 'it' means the Buddha Nature.

These terms are slippery, and it's impossible to hold down exactly what everything means. You have to 'feel' your way through Buddhism. However, one way of saying it is that Zen Buddhists seek to touch upon the Buddha Nature, which is the energy in and around everything that is unfettered by delusion.

So what they are doing is trying to touch upon a state of consciousness. A state of consciousness called The Buddha Nature.

Enlightenment is when a person fully achieves this state of consciousness. So they are no longer seeking it, they 'are' it. It is a lofty ideal that many would not hope to be able to achieve apart from the extremely advanced, so most just seek to touch upon the Buddha Nature, and therefore get glimpes of the enlightened consciousness.

Gosh I hope that makes sense as this is really hard stuff to just talk about in a forum lol. Think I need a nap now.  :bedtime2:


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 03, 2010, 04:12:00 PM

Thanks again, Luc - yes it makes sense.

Enjoy your nap.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: bossy on November 03, 2010, 05:49:43 PM
Instead of seeing the rug pulled from under us,

We can learn to dance on a shifting carpet...
Thomas Crum





Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 03, 2010, 06:00:38 PM

Got that one straight away, Bossy  :)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mikeofdoom on November 03, 2010, 07:15:03 PM

Perfect sense, Luc - thanks. Just to clarify absolutely, IT is enlightenment?

Lucinda seems to know. Or not know  :grin
As they say, the way that can be spoken about is not the way. Thoughts/knowledge obscure enlightenment.

I can't get out...

"There is a Zen story about a monk who, having failed to achieve "enlightenment" through the normal Zen methods, he was told by his teacher to think of nothing but an ox.
Day after day after day, the monk thought of the ox, meditated on the ox.
Finally, one day, the teacher came to the monk's cell and said, "Come out here -- I want to talk to you."

"I can't get out," the monk said. "My horns won't fit through the door."

Upon which the monk attained enlightenment.



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 03, 2010, 07:37:33 PM

Umn, well if that's the road to enlightenment, Mike, I think I'll stay in the dark  :)



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Philpy1999 on November 09, 2010, 09:55:45 PM
One of my faves is more of a story than a quote, it's one I used in an assignment at college:


WELCOME TO HOLLAND

by Emily Perl Kingsley.

c1987 by Emily Perl Kingsley. All rights reserved

I am often asked to describe the experience of raising a child with a disability - to try to help people who have not shared that unique experience to understand it, to imagine how it would feel. It's like this......

When you're going to have a baby, it's like planning a fabulous vacation trip - to Italy. You buy a bunch of guide books and make your wonderful plans. The Coliseum. The Michelangelo David. The gondolas in Venice. You may learn some handy phrases in Italian. It's all very exciting.

After months of eager anticipation, the day finally arrives. You pack your bags and off you go. Several hours later, the plane lands. The stewardess comes in and says, "Welcome to Holland."

"Holland?!?" you say. "What do you mean Holland?? I signed up for Italy! I'm supposed to be in Italy. All my life I've dreamed of going to Italy."

But there's been a change in the flight plan. They've landed in Holland and there you must stay.

The important thing is that they haven't taken you to a horrible, disgusting, filthy place, full of pestilence, famine and disease. It's just a different place.

So you must go out and buy new guide books. And you must learn a whole new language. And you will meet a whole new group of people you would never have met.

It's just a different place. It's slower-paced than Italy, less flashy than Italy. But after you've been there for a while and you catch your breath, you look around.... and you begin to notice that Holland has windmills....and Holland has tulips. Holland even has Rembrandts.

But everyone you know is busy coming and going from Italy... and they're all bragging about what a wonderful time they had there. And for the rest of your life, you will say "Yes, that's where I was supposed to go. That's what I had planned."

And the pain of that will never, ever, ever, ever go away... because the loss of that dream is a very very significant loss.

But... if you spend your life mourning the fact that you didn't get to Italy, you may never be free to enjoy the very special, the very lovely things ... about Holland.

This is my favourite of all!!

Might even change my tag line from, making the most of the moon light to relaxing in Holland


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 10, 2010, 07:13:51 AM

Nice one, Philpy - thanks for posting. But please don't change your tag line - it's brilliant!!!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Queenbeecez on November 12, 2010, 02:05:33 PM
Two things I saw and loved today are;

Be yourself everyone else is taken

And

Don't you just love rumours it's a load of stuff you never knew about yourself x


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 12, 2010, 02:13:34 PM

LOL....like those, QB. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Philpy1999 on November 30, 2010, 09:58:43 AM
This post is slightly different in that it isn't a quote or a saying.

I though of this while explaining CFS to a friend on facebook the other day (she has glandular fever and I was stressing the importance of rest).

--------------------------------------

None of us like having this condition, but remember how our blood tests led to this diagnosis..

We don't have HIV
&
We don't have Leukaemia

Just to mention two!

There are thousands of people out there who would swap places with us!




Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on November 30, 2010, 10:45:46 AM


Great post, Philpy - a bit like 'don't moan about having no shoes when there are people with no feet'. Self pity never achieved anything. Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Philpy1999 on December 06, 2010, 02:51:49 PM
No beliefs are right or wrong, they are either empowering or limiting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on December 06, 2010, 03:00:54 PM

Brilliant, thanks, Philpy.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: angeltripping on January 08, 2011, 02:06:02 AM
"Because we all share this planet earth, we have to learn to live in harmony and peace with each other and with nature. This is not just a dream, but a necessity."

The Dalai Lama


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on January 08, 2011, 08:25:09 AM

Thanks, AT - that DL says a lot of good stuff, doesn't he!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on January 08, 2011, 08:32:38 AM
Thank you Angel, for the first good thought of the year.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Queenbeecez on January 13, 2011, 01:47:34 PM
‘Some things cannot be healed, they can merely be outgrown, ‘C. G. Jung; sometimes we cannot change the external world in the time frame we might like; make the job different, change the world in an instant, wish away life’s inconveniences; often we have to learn the process of change and equip ourselves sufficiently to undertake the task. Sometimes it takes great skill and dedication to bring changes into society or healing into a person’s heart. We cannot erase the past, for it has gone. In once sense, the past truly exists no more, it is as dust on the wind – and the future is nothing more than a set of possibilities and/or expectations; the present is all that exists – here … now …


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on January 13, 2011, 11:07:52 PM
Thank you for posting QBC.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Queenbeecez on February 05, 2011, 01:43:23 PM
Saw this and thought oh I like that will share; don't find fault find remedy - Henry ford x


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on February 05, 2011, 02:27:38 PM

Excellent!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: CHY on February 05, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
 :iagree: people always spend more time and energy and make more noise finding fault but rarely want to offer any help or support for helping out or improving a situation.

(I've spent too many years on committees  :grin)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mc² on February 15, 2011, 10:00:46 PM
"the bigger the outward show the greater the inner sorrow..."

"self love is self doubt..."

"confidence is death..."

"its not until you have lost everything that you are free to do anything..."

"everything is backwards; everything is upside down. doctors destory health, lawyers destroy justice, universities destroy knowledge, governments destroy freedom, the major media destroy information and religions destroy spirituality..."

"it is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society..."

"freedom from the desire for answer is essential to the understanding of a problem..."

"Freedom and love go together. Love is not a reaction. If I love you because you love me, that is mere trade, a thing to be bought in the market; it is not love. To love is not to ask anything in return, not even to feel that you are giving something- and it is only such love that can know freedom..."

"Hitler and Mussolini were only the primary spokesmen for the attitude of domination and craving for power that are in the heart of almost everyone. Until the source is cleared, there will always be confusion and hate, wars and class antagonisms..."

"All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man..."

"If we can really understand the problem, the answer will come out of it, because the answer is not separate from the problem..."

"In oneself lies the whole world and if you know how to look and learn, the door is there and the key is in your hand. Nobody on earth can give you either the key or the door to open, except yourself..."


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on February 16, 2011, 07:09:49 AM
Some interesting stuff there, MC, I especially like number 5. Not so sure about numbers 2 and 3 though  :)

Thanks for posting.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on February 16, 2011, 08:02:04 AM
Ditto from me (on both counts).

Can you tell us who said them please?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mc² on February 16, 2011, 08:31:42 AM
hello,
i think the idea behind "confidence is death" is that it may imply a self gratutious feeling of having "arrived" and is therefore static and the questioning is over, also maybe it is formed out of fear and a need to be secure psychologically? the author is j krishnamurti, although he does also speak of a "creative self confidence" that is born of the moment.

"self love is self doubt" is something i once saw and like though i have googled it with no result as to the author....

number 4 is from "fight club"; got some peachy quotes in that film. number 5 is michael ellner and the rest are j krishnamurti; couple more from him::

“The constant assertion of belief is an indication of fear”

"Tradition becomes our security, and when the mind is secure it is in decay."


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on February 16, 2011, 08:39:01 AM
I think the beauty of 'food for thought' posts is that they do just that - make you think. Having thought, you can agree or disagree, but at least you've seen and considered the other side, so your agreement or disagreement has at least some validity.

I like this thread. A lot.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: iddm on February 20, 2011, 11:47:11 PM
Just found this thread.
I use a lot of slogans that come from the 12 step program
My favourite right now is

Progress not perfection


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Queenbeecez on February 25, 2011, 02:44:10 PM
Life Changing Therapies  - “When you are at your lowest, it’s when you learn the most. The degree to which it affects you is the degree to which you are most absorbed by the illusion. It is not real and it doesn’t matter.”

My friend had it on their company facebook as their status and I just loved it.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on February 25, 2011, 02:48:13 PM
Love that, QB. Why? Because it's absolutely true.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: mc² on February 25, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
"in the condemnation of others lies the justification of ourselves"- j.k.

"all authority is corrupt, particularly in the psycho-spiritual realm."

"go to the ant, consider her ways and be wise"

a transcript of a speach on love from one of my favourite books:: http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-text.php?tid=48&chid=56793&w=



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Herblore on June 05, 2011, 07:42:49 PM
'Nothing is, but thinking makes it so'

Your quote! It's along the lines of a conclusion I came to some time ago. If I think it it is.

Have you read 'The Divine Matrix' by Greg Braden or any of his other books? You can see him talking about his amazing books in youtube. Another one is 'The Autobiography of a Yogi' by Paramahansa Yogananda; mind blowing but utterly believeable, to me but probably not to many, book!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on June 06, 2011, 06:01:45 AM
No, I don't tend to read those sort of books - I think I've got the whole thing pretty much sussed  :)

I like your - 'there are no limits', but I'd be inclined to add 'other than those you impose yourself' or some such which.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Herblore on June 07, 2011, 10:37:21 AM
Yes I agree with the 'other than those you impose yourself' but I like it short and sweet. No I'm not on about scrabble again!  :hee20hee20hee:

I like those kinds of books because however much I have it sussed there's always more to suss!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on June 07, 2011, 12:27:03 PM
Motto re the books, parsley - anything that helps, do it.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 05, 2011, 07:03:55 AM
Life is just a terminal sexually transmitted disease.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: ian2008 on July 05, 2011, 08:39:21 AM
A secret is best kept between 3 people if at least 2 of them is dead. More generally, a secret is kept between n people if at least (n-1) of them is dead.

 ;)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: pickle on July 05, 2011, 08:51:34 AM
The past is history and the future a mystery. This moment is a gift - that's why it's called the present.

(kung Fu Panda!)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 05, 2011, 08:54:02 AM
The past is history and the future a mystery. This moment is a gift - that's why it's called the present.

(kung Fu Panda!)

Love that!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 06, 2011, 03:33:51 PM

Serenity comes when you trade expectations for acceptance. - unknown source

The pain is sometimes preferable to the treatment - indian Proverb

-The more serious the illness, the more important it is for you to fight back, mobilizing all your resources-spiritual, emotional, intellectual, physical.  - Norman Cousins











Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 06, 2011, 04:11:11 PM
Love those, carrie.

Especially number 2.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 06, 2011, 11:05:37 PM
Thanks Roger. I am only really just coming to understand the value of some of the various proverbs and quotes and they are attainable.

my favourite quote sadly is far from profund in fact it is extremely silly, but it has tickled me since the first time I read it.

and my other favourite quote is about gardening


 "There can be no other occupation like gardening in which, if you were to creep up behind someone at their work, you would find them smiling."  ~Mirabel Osler

Mirabel Osler was a gardener who wrote about her experiences of her English garden, her book are wonderful full of wit. She was a very clever and talented lady her most well known book is A Gentle Plea for Chaos: The Enchantment of Gardening  and is a wonderful book if you like gardening, even if you are not a green fingered type, there is so much sense in her books and humour they are worth reading.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 07, 2011, 06:10:51 AM
I want to see the tickling one, carrie!!!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 07, 2011, 05:27:37 PM
Roger, I won't lower the tone of the thread, I will email it you  :hee20hee20hee:


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 07, 2011, 07:12:43 PM
I love it, and I think others will too. SO POST IT. If I'm wrong, you can shout at me!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Herblore on July 07, 2011, 09:16:03 PM
Carrie I want to hear the silly one too! The more silliness in life the better.

Oh there you go Roger, there's my food for thought contribution! I did post one the other day but it was rubbish so I removed it.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 07, 2011, 10:43:29 PM
Okay, but I warned you, it is certainly not profound hehehehe

Quote
" Life is like a roll of toilet paper, the nearer the end it gets the faster it goes, make the most of the moment."

I appologise, it just tickles me.

decided to make amends I thought I would post a sensible one that I like

Quote
Could a greater miracle take place than for us to look through each other's eyes for an instant?

- Henry David Thoreau


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 08, 2011, 06:02:04 AM
Good on you, carrie - see, it wasn't too painful!  :)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Herblore on July 08, 2011, 06:25:11 AM
 :hee20hee20hee: Actually Carrie although it involves toilet paper it is quite profound! And the other one's good.  :)


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 08, 2011, 09:04:27 AM
 :hee20hee20hee: I am glad you like it, for me things have to be a little simpler or my brain goes  :a102: LOL at least I understand that one, unlike some of the other wonderful sensible profound quotations we have in this thread by the clever people  :hee20hee20hee:


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 08, 2011, 09:11:48 AM
READ MY LIPS, CARRIE - Anyone who can do the blog you're doing IS BLOODY CLEVER!!! Okay?


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Herblore on July 08, 2011, 11:58:39 AM
Absolutely, I couldn't deal with code! Kudos


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 08, 2011, 12:25:12 PM
LOl why thank you, but really with that site, it doesn't let you play with too much of the code, it tells you what you can play with. It can actually be easier doing your own code cos you have your own way of writing it if that makes any sense, playing with other peoples can be more frustrating as you cant get it to do what you want LOL


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Herblore on July 08, 2011, 09:17:36 PM
Is that why it's so damn difficult!  :hee20hee20hee: I'd like to play with my own code and invent the most diabolically lunatic website on the planet.  :hee20hee20hee:


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 09, 2011, 06:00:18 PM
I can just imagine it Herb, but it would be brilliant I am sure. Just imagine though some of the recipes could be somewhat interesting  :hee20hee20hee: certainly nothing as mundane as sugar cookies


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: agapanthus on July 09, 2011, 09:17:28 PM
Thank you for writing about Mirabel Osler, Carrie. I hadn't heard of her, but I like the sound of her writing. I have just googled her book on Amazon - sounds just up my street!


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 10, 2011, 04:30:24 AM
Your welcome Aggie, she was an amazing gardener and an amazing writer, her gardens were not the typical neat perfectly edged topiary but it took a lot of work to create the natural chaos that she did, they looked amazing and my idea of how a country garden should look. If you get any of her books, enjoy them, they are worth every penny, IMHO of course  :-*


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Lucinda on September 29, 2011, 03:20:24 PM
I'd love for this thread to be bought to life again! I've just skimmed through and there are some great quotes and stuff on here.

So I'll add a couple of contributions of my own:

'You make a life out of what you have, not what you're missing' - by Kate Morton, from the book 'The Forgotten Garden'.

And probably my favourite quote of all:

'Reality is free from all notions...it is our duty to transcend words and concepts to be able to encounter reality' - by Thich Nhat Hanh, from the book 'Living Buddha, Living Christ'.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on October 28, 2011, 11:06:10 AM
this is a quote i found today I have decided i like

Don’t wait until everything is just right. It will never be perfect. There will always be challenges, obstacles and less than perfect conditions. So what. Get started now. With each step you take, you will grow stronger and stronger, more and more skilled, more and more self-confident, and more and more successful.
~Mark Victor Hansen




Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on October 28, 2011, 11:20:44 AM
Yes, I like that one too, carrie.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: angeleyes40 on January 19, 2012, 08:30:11 AM
The most Memorable people In your life, will be the people who loved you when you were not loving yourself... 

Anon.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on January 19, 2012, 08:42:44 AM
I like that :thumbsup



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: angeleyes40 on January 21, 2012, 07:33:22 AM
Some people think that to be strong is to never feel pain.

In reality, the strongest people are the ones who  feel it,  understand it, and accept it....

Anon


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on January 21, 2012, 07:40:31 AM
Very true.


Title: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lazylegs on June 04, 2012, 06:51:49 PM
 Just wanted to share these words of wisdom with you all.

             
Quote
[Noah's Ark :  Everything I need to know, I learned from Noah's Ark .
 
ONE:  Don't miss the boat.
TWO:  Remember that we are all in the same boat!
THREE:  Plan ahead.  It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark.   
FOUR:  Stay fit.  When you're 60 years old, someone may ask you to do something really big.
FIVE:  Don't listen to critics; just get on with the job that needs to be done.
SIX:  Build your future on high ground.
SEVEN:  For safety's sake, travel in pairs.
EIGHT:  Speed isn't always an advantage.  The snails were on board with the cheetahs.
NINE:  When you're stressed, float awhile.
TEN:  Remember, the Ark was built by amateurs; the Titanic by professionals.
ELEVEN:  No matter the storm, when you are with God, there's always a rainbow waiting. /quote]

LL.x


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: agapanthus on June 05, 2012, 07:46:49 AM
I really like this LL - nice one!! Some real words of wisdom there.

However I have a feeling you didn't mean it to be in the Intro section. Would you like me to move it for you, or do you want to do it yourself?


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: lazylegs on June 05, 2012, 03:26:06 PM
Thanks aggie, please will you move it as my brain is everywhere just now and who knows where it will end up.    Glad you liked it.  I had never given this reasoning and connection a thought until I recieved this in an email.     :-*  LL.x


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: agapanthus on June 05, 2012, 03:43:58 PM
This really ought to go in Food for Thought, but that's now stuck as a thread in the middle of Featured Posts, so I don't think i can get it into the right bit. I will put it in the General Discussion and then if anyone knows how to put it onto the end of Featured Posts they can do so.


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Emettman on June 05, 2012, 04:22:19 PM
Did Noah *have* to let the malarial mosquitoes on board?  And a pair of Scottish midges?

Can we have a lesson that sometimes it's not good to stick slavishly to orders and instructions?

Chris.


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: agapanthus on June 05, 2012, 04:34:00 PM
Maybe they were there to help us learn to smile in adversity  ;) ... well maybe not the malarial mosquitos, that would be too cruel.

A bit like having ME/CFS really......

Sorry Noah, you have been on a bit of a journey....


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: Cather1ne on June 05, 2012, 09:37:58 PM
 :clap: Very good LL  ;)


Title: Re: We can learn from Noah !!!!!!!!!!!!
Post by: angeleyes40 on June 05, 2012, 09:42:46 PM
This really ought to go in Food for Thought, but that's now stuck as a thread in the middle of Featured Posts, so I don't think i can get it into the right bit. I will put it in the General Discussion and then if anyone knows how to put it onto the end of Featured Posts they can do so.

Hi Aggie...

Your wish is my command  :rolleyes :grin

I have merged the topics together....  :smile

Xx


Title: Food For Thought
Post by: ALonelyWillowTree on June 20, 2012, 09:19:41 PM
I thought it would be a nice idea to have a thread full of quotes to inspire us. So when we're feeling low or fed up or just looking for inspiration you can have a flick through.  :-*


“Life is not about waiting for the storm to pass, it's about learning to dance in the rain.”
-Unknown.


“The secret of learning to be sick is this: Illness doesn't make you less of what you were. You are still you”
- Tony Snow.


“Through my illness I learned rejection. I was written off. That was the moment I thought, okay, game on. No prisoners. Everybody's going down”
- Lance Armstrong


“It is in moments of illness that we are compelled to recognise that we live no alone but chained to a creature of a different kingdom, worlds apart, who has no knowledge of us and by whom it is impossible to make ourselves understood: our body.”
- Marcel Proust


“I think illness is a family journey, no matter what the outcome. Everybody has to be allowed to process it and mourn and deal with it in their own way”
- Marcia Wallace.

Feel free to add your own about anything Inspire us!  :smile

Willow x


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: surfnut on June 20, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Great idea Willow  :) :clap:


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Emettman on June 20, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
Willow you tempt me, but I resist.

I have a much used and treasured book, The Perpetual Pessimist, which contains a dark, gloomy or despairing quotation for each day of the year.
I find it a great comfort and support in places that brighter sayings and aphorisms do not reach.
(At least do not reach me).

I feel a distinct temptation to post a selection of my favourites but, being pretty certain my approach and methodology in this area is a minority one and that such an act could be unhelpful, I refrain from so doing.

Chris.



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: oldshoremore on June 20, 2012, 10:36:05 PM
Chris,

You are a very wise man! :sign0098:

As my mum would say

 'If you can't say anything nice keep your mouth shut' :lips

Mind you, I am intrigued by the Perpertual Pessimist.
Maybe you could start another thread for those of us not in the mood to be uplifted''???

In keeping with the spirit of this thread I would add

'The only human drama is wanting things to be different from how they are'   (I only heard it the other day but I can't remember where.)

Oldiex


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: jaylfc88` on June 21, 2012, 06:44:03 AM
I can only do 100%, you cant do any more, knowing that my mind is at peace   :49:


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on June 21, 2012, 06:58:49 AM
We have a food for thought thread that is all peoples inspirational, and when I got involved, funny quotes. I will try and find it and merge them for us.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Cather1ne on June 21, 2012, 12:33:26 PM
'Things work out best for those who make the best of how things work out.' - John Wooden

'You've only got three choices in life. Give up, give in or give it all you've got!'

'Small acts, when multiplied by millions of people, can transform the world.'

“When obstacles arise, you change your direction to reach your goal, you do not change your decision to get there.” - Zig Ziglar

"We make a living by what we get, we make a life by what we give." ~ Winston Churchill

'A great relationship is about two main things: Finding out the similarities, respecting the differences'




Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: piroflip on June 22, 2012, 06:58:18 AM


A dwarf, stood on a giant's shoulders, sees the further of the two.








Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on July 12, 2012, 07:27:14 PM

"Taking care of yourself does not make you self-centered, it makes you centered."
~~Anonymous


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on September 05, 2013, 06:12:27 PM
You are not accidental. The world needs you.

Without you, something will be missing in existence and nobody can replace it.

~ Osho


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: carrie on October 16, 2013, 12:36:10 AM
I posted a response to someone saying they were in hell on twitter, I must have been feeling a bit profound as it isnt like me but  I got several faourites on the post, I said

If you are in Hell the only way is up and Heaven is closer than you think,

I haave had a bit of a rough ride the last couple of years but feel at the moment my life is on the up again, it will haave its lows  but I always think that if you hit your lowoest ebb if you allow yourself too you can climb back up and it makes you apppreciate things all the more, I haave been at deaths door through suiccide attempts, nearly lost my life through alcohol abuse, andd now I am happily married starting a family and living as independantly as ME allows and trying to set up my own small business, there is always  hope, my parents probably thought that was my lot when I was living in a carre home under a community section but if you want to pull youurself back and have the right guidance anything is possible


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Anne56 on December 27, 2013, 02:55:04 PM
i have read millions of these over the years but the following really did change my way of thinking. i was going through a particularly bad break-up but it has also helped me with accepting ME/CFS.

ACCEPTANCE -

THIS IS HOW IT IS
NOT HOW IT
- was
- might have been

NOT HOW
- I wanted it to be
- hoped it would be
- planned it would be

I ACCEPT THAT THIS IS HOW IT IS.

Now I get on with my life in a positive way.
           


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: Sisyphus on December 27, 2013, 04:39:28 PM
I love so many quotes but there are two that are partly my favorite and seem kind of important right now.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither." - Benjamin Franklin



Ok next quote may not be word for word, going by memory here.

"The people can always be brought to do the bidding of the leaders. All you have to do is tell them they are under attack and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the society to danger." - Herman Guerring

Ok Guerring was an anti-semetic scumbag but he knew alot about manipulating a populace so I think it's important to listen to such a person.


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on August 23, 2015, 05:28:45 PM
How about -

1. “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” – Albert Einstein

2. “Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms—to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.” – Viktor Frankl

3. “Before you diagnose yourself with depression or low self-esteem, first make sure that you are not, in fact, just surrounded by assholes.” – Sigmund Freud

4. “You must be the change you wish to see in the world.” – Gandhi

5. “When one door of happiness closes, another opens, but often we look so long at the closed door that we do not see the one that has been opened for us.” – Helen Keller

6. “He who fears he will suffer, already suffers because he fears.” – Michel De Montaigne

7. “Challenges is what makes life interesting and overcoming them is what makes life meaningful.” – Joshua J. Marine

8. “In seeking happiness for others, you will find it in yourself.” – Unknown

9. “Life is never made unbearable by circumstances, but only by lack of meaning and purpose.” – Viktor Frankl

10. “A mind that is stretched by a new experience can never go back to its old dimensions.” – Oliver Wendell Holmes

11. “God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.” – Reinhold Niebuhr

12. “I would rather die a meaningful death than to live a meaningless life.” – Corazon Aquino

13. “Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.” – Confucius

14. “The most beautiful people we have known are those who have known defeat, known suffering, known struggle, known loss, and have found their way out of the depths. These persons have an appreciation, sensitivity, and an understanding of life that fills them with compassion, gentleness, and a deep loving concern. Beautiful people do not just happen.” – Elisabeth Kübler-Ross

15. “Success is stumbling from failure to failure with no loss of enthusiasm.” – Winston Churchill

16. “The only way that we can live is if we grow. The only way we can grow is if we change. The only way we can change is if we learn. The only way we can learn is if we are exposed. And the only way that we are exposed is if we throw ourselves into the open.” – C. Joybell

17. “True success is overcoming the fear of being unsuccessful.” – Paul Sweeney

18. “Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.” – Stephen Covey

19. “Yesterday is history, tomorrow is a mystery, today is a gift of God, which is why we call it the present.” – Bil Keane

20. “Falling in love is not a choice. To stay in love is.” – Unknown

21. “Time is too slow for those who wait, too swift for those who fear, too long for those who grieve, too short for those who rejoice, but for those who love, time is eternity.” – Henry van Dyke

22. “If you don’t like something, change it. If you can’t change it, change the way you think about it.” – Mary Engelbreit

23. “A life spent making mistakes is not only more honorable, but more useful than a life spent doing nothing.” – George Bernhard Shaw

24. “If you want happiness for an hour – take a nap. If you want happiness for a day – go fishing. If you want happiness for a year – inherit a fortune. If you want happiness for a life time – help someone else.” – Chinese proverb

25. “The world as we have created it is a process of our thinking. It cannot be changed without changing our thinking.” – Albert Einstein



Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: ian2008 on October 05, 2015, 10:28:39 AM
Fine words roger!

 :-*


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 08, 2016, 01:04:06 PM
There's a field between right and wrong - I'll meet you there. anon


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: angeleyes40 on July 09, 2016, 04:23:30 PM
There's a field between right and wrong - I'll meet you there. anon

That phrase is very thought inspiring.....  :smile

Xx


Title: Re: Food For Thought
Post by: roger on July 09, 2016, 05:22:14 PM
I thought so, too - we shouldn't be too dogmatic in our opinions one way or another!  :)